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(This is not a defence of God because contrary to what Pastor Alvin says, I think we do not need to defend God. He can take care of Himself. I am protesting John Corvino's ignorance and his attempt to pull a fast one. I admit that I have not been able to watch the webcast of the lecture and assure my friends that I will as soon as I get the chance to and I apologise for any misinterpretation of his arguments. As such, my response is directed at AH's summary of some of the points Corvino made.)
From what AH said in his entry, I garnered that what John Corvino was trying to say was that human interpretation is necessarily flawed. To substantiate his claims of how flawed the Bible/human understanding is, he cites the rules in the OT which (from my impression of AH’s post) he writes off as dumb without so much as examining the context. And therefore the moral code (outlawing homosexuality) is questionable too because it relies on human interpretation.
Ah quotes. The good, old tools of spin-meisters. I can quote directly from the Bible to say that sinning is not only all right, in fact it is a good thing to do. But we all know that isn’t true. The point is, you can argue which ever way you want if you are taking anything out of its context.
My first question to AH was, “Did he have only one quote from the Bible that said we can’t touch pigs? Or many quotes?” Even then, the next logical question is: who is this “we”? Christians? Non-Christians? Jews? Old Testament (OT) Jews? Modern Jews?
My second question: did he set the context? Quoting from the Bible is akin to quoting the one controversial line someone said in a one hour interview and spinning a story off it. Unfair? Certainly. To understand what someone really meant to say, we need to listen to the whole interview. To understand the Bible verse that was quoted, we need to put the entire thing in context.
So if the laws are dumb, the whole issue about religion vs. homosexuality is dumb, the entire religion is dumb. Which is what he is saying, even though he throws in smoke bombs like “not that God is wrong but…”. The Bible is the word of God. If the Bible is wrong, God is wrong. There is no such thing as God is right but the Bible is wrong.
We ought not to dismiss things that we cannot figure out as necessarily dumb. We need to ask, “Why were the Israelites disallowed from wearing clothes of different fabrics?” The OT is full of things we cannot understand precisely because it is the OT – old rules of the game, old covenant with God, old understanding of God. To discredit an issue in the New Testament (NT) with examples in the OT is akin to dismissing Germany’s bid to host the next Olympics because they were WWII aggressors.
There is also a difference between the OT and the New Testament (NT). Same God, different kind of relationship. Which also means that the rules in the OT are not always relevant in the NT. For example, there are food sacrifices in the OT for the cleansing of sins. In the NT, there’s no such thing because Jesus is the perfect sacrifice who has the power to cleanse all the sins of mankind. The difference between the OT and the NT is that the era of the OT is the rule of law. The Israelites took the first 5 books of the Bible and followed the directives to the very last full-stop. The NT is the era of grace where the law has been abolished and we are guided not by the law but by God himself. Consequently, a lot of these nitty gritties have been forgiven and abolished by the grace of God, animal sacrifice being just one of the many, and never again mentioned in the NT. Similarly, the fabrics and pigs are a non-issue to modern day Christians. Can we say the same for homosexuality? It is an issue in the OT and continues to be so in the NT.
His argument is flawed because the laws and his subject (homosexuality) are completely different and cannot be equated. Firstly, the laws were not subject to human interpretation. If God says, “Thou shalt not kill” then you really can’t. There’s no room for interpretation. Secondly, you can’t equate the two because of the difference between the OT and the NT (as explained above).
Thirdly, if people have a tendency to misinterpret things, then what makes him think he's right? You can't explain away everything by the word "misinterpretation". Maybe Christ is a misinterpretation; maybe the whole idea of a Christian is a misinterpretation. Moses was an interpretation and so are Jews. It's not misinterpretation if there's more than one verse saying the same thing. And I can quote you several verses saying that homosexuality isn’t what God intended. Unless you want to discount the Bible altogether. In which case, this would become a non-issue. Ah but he claims that he isn’t trying to discount the religion, just human interpretation. But as the above paragraph has tried to show, there really is no room for interpretation, so if you’re trying to discredit Christians, you’re really trying to discredit the Bible and hence the entire religious movement.
I mean honestly, it’s like one of those smoke-screen words like national interest. Whose national interest? What is the definition of national interest? More economic growth at the expense of the bottom rung? Is that national interest? Misinterpretation. So where is the misinterpretation? Can he convincingly give an alternative reading that is in line with the rest of the Bible?
AH made a very good point when he said that logic cannot be applied to matters of religious nature. Which is why I am protesting the attempt to dissect religion using logic – a flawed one at that. The speaker attempted to use logic to discredit religion. His argument goes as such: “The Bible says A and B. A is fallacious, therefore we can safely conclude that the Bible is bull-crap and therefore B is fallacious too.” But he can never prove that A is fallacious. And since logic cannot be applied to religion, the whole argument falls apart.
And all his disclaimers are mere bull-crap. Take the “not that I am saying that God is wrong” out and it doesn’t change his argument one little bit. Ergo, the disclaimers are at best meaningless, but more like tools of spin.
He will have you believe that what he quoted is what he says it means. But I don't buy it.
Tag: homosexuality, Bible, God
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